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| Surya Subedi |
ABC Radio Australia 27
May 2013
The United
Nations special human rights envoy on Cambodia has rejected government criticism
of him as biased, saying he's an objective, independent UN expert.
UN rights
envoy defends role in Cambodia (Credit: ABC)
And he says
while there has been progress towards democratisation in Cambodia, that
progress has been, at times, frustratingly slow.
Surya Subedi
completed his ninth mission to Cambodia on Saturday.
But he was
unable to meet either the King, or Prime Minister Hun Sen during the trip.
Bo Hill
spoke with Mr Subedi straight after his weekend media conference, and began by
asking him about the aims of his latest trip.
Reporter: Bo
HIll
Speaker:
Surya Subedi, UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights to Cambodia
SUBEDI: I
thought the time had come for me to carry stocktaking of the recommendations of
the overall situation of human rights and see what progress has been made to
implement my recommendations and to engage in a dialogue with the government
over access in the Cambodian society and then see what will be the way forward
here.
HILL: And do
you think there's been progress made?
SUBEDI:
There has been progress made in a number of areas. This time the government,
the various senior ministers I've met were forthcoming with information, willing to admit deficiencies of what they
exist, giving me assurance that some of the recommendations are being
implemented, some of them will be implemented, even giving me some
existing timeframe to implement some of
my recommendations.
All in all,
I thought these meetings were constructive, cordial and candid.
HILL: Did
you get to meet with those leaders that you'd hoped to, including the King and
Prime Minister Hun Sen?
SUBEDI: I
was not able to meet with the Prime Minister and His Majesty, the King, but the
Prime Minister deputised a senior minister and President of the Cambodian Human
Rights Committee, Mr Om Yentieng, to meet with me on his behalf, that was what
I was able to have a meaningful dialogue with him.
HILL: And
were you surprised that the Prime Minister was unable to meet you?
SUBEDI: Oh,
not necessarily. I was told on Monday, that he'll be able to meet with me, but
I was given to understand that he was abroad and that when he came back, he had
to go to the provinces to act on some issues. So I can understand the
situation.
HILL: The
Opposition leader, Sam Rainsy, told Radio Australia last week, that he was
confident he would be able to return to Cambodia for the July election and that
the UN would help insist on that. What representations did you make about Sam
Rainsy?
SUBEDI;
Well, my approach here has been to assess the system, the electoral reform or
the judicial reform, or electoral reform or parliamentary reform, putting the
system right, making sure that all the district institutions would have a
mandate to uphold people's rights are able to operate in an effective manner,
that has been my focus, rather than individual cases.
HILL: You've
described the July elections as a landmark in Cambodia's journey towards
democratisation. But can the election be fair, if someone as prominent in the
Opposition as Sam Rainsy is not allowed to compete?
SUBEDI:
Well, that is a hypothetical question. A formal election campaign has not yet
begun, and we are still two months away from the election. My job is to monitor
the situation of human rights, more so in the run up to the elections, so that
people can exercise their right to vote. Once the election comes, once the
election is over, then I, along with many other national and international
actors will assess the situation and will come to their own conclusion.
HILL: How
far down the track towards that reform is Cambodia, do you see?
SUBEDI:
Well, as I say, for instance, there has been some progress in some areas. In
some areas the progress has been frustratingly slow, but the purpose of my
mission is to engage in a dialogue with the government to discuss these very
issues and this time, the meetings have been productive.
HILL: You
met with a government representative, in fact, the President of the Cambodian
Human Rights Committee, who called by biased towards the Opposition and your
views inaccurate. What's your response?
SUBEDI:
Well, I do not agree with that assertion, I'm an independent and objective and
impartial United Nations expert. I listen to all sides of the equation . I
receive regularly, whether I'm on a mission in Cambodia or not, regularly
information, petition, complaints, reports from different actors, from people
from different walks of life send me that information. I verify some of the
information. I come to my own conclusion and I write my reports in an
objective, impartial and independent manner.
And there
was a document that Mr Om Yentieng referred to which never reached me. But now
he has given me a copy of that one, which I look forward to reading and
reflecting upon when I write my next
report.
HILL: So you
have reports from the Cambodian government or at least one of their
representatives. But do you believe that the Cambodian government in turn has
taken any real notice of your past recommendations?
SUBEDI: Yes.
During this mission, I met with President of the Foreign Relations Committee of
the National Assembly, President of the Cambodian Human Rights Committee,
President of the Cambodian National Election Committee, the Secretary of the
State in the Ministry of Justice, and Secretary-General of Senate and
representatives of different political parties and I was given the impression
that they are looking at my recommendations with a view to implementing as much
as they can.
HILL: Do you
have any concerns in the lead up to the July elections, including worries about
violence?
SUBEDI: Of
course, going by the past history of the country, I will continue to monitor,
that will be in my mind and I would like to do my best and along with me, many
other international actors are doing their best to make sure that Cambodia
receives appropriate assistance to hold the national elections in a free and a
fair manner and in a peaceful environment.
HILL: You
gave a lecture at the Royal University of Law and Economics, and during the
question and answers session with the students, it was basically hijacked by
other students criticising you and insisting Cambodia has no human rights
problems. Do you think there is still a need for a UN Human Rights envoy to
Cambodia?
SUBEDI:
Indeed, there is still a need for it, because whether, regardless of my
personal position. The country still needs international assistance to reform
its state institutions to accelerate the
process of democratisation to make democracy stronger and to have rule of law,
a genuine one in this country,
The
international community has invested heavily in Cambodia since 1991, when the
Paris peace accords were concluded, since 1993, when UNTAC assisted the country in conducting the first
general elections. Since then, the international community has invested
heavily, the international community has had an interest in making sure that
the government of Cambodia, the people of Cambodia, are able to move along the
road to democracy.
HILL: Do you
feel that your report back to the UN Human Rights Council in September, will be
more positive than the last one?
SUBEDI:
Well, it's not a matter of positive or negative. It's an objective analysis and
that's what I have always done. I will also write my report bearing in mind
that I'm an independent, objective, and impartial United Nations Special
Rapporteur.
Based on the
information I have received, there are areas in which not enough progress has
been made and that will be registered in my report.
Source: ABC

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